I don't think Ox would be that angry with the elf; they were both in mortal danger before, after all, and the elf helped Ox instead of fleeing despite the great danger. I don't think shoes would have helped much, though they would have helped a bit.
My preference would still have been to have at least some light shoes, but Ox, as the barbarian he is, likely has very tough and thick skin as well. In D&D 3.5 edition, barbarians even gain damage reduction as they level :- ) .
I like the discussion and comments reg. tradition. Typically not always so obvious whether a given tradition is "outdated" or not :- ) . Some rules have purpose and value, sometimes great or extreme value, despite it not always being easy to see the purpose of them. Though one cannot take for granted that a rule as such has value overall, or which kind(s) of value it has. And there are other aspects than that as well.
Wait, is this the first time we see Alexus without his helmet on? He seems younger to me than I first imagined, but I think him being relatively young fits his character well.
I would have made a comment on how his eyes are all dilated so he must be stoned out of his mind from all the weed he is smoking but the art style of all the characters are like that...
While it would seem some armor is a good idea, our elf is an archer. This could mean he is rarely in any melee danger where armor could help. If something gets close enough to be bothered by armor, the elf should be running. And if armor hampers his shooting, or his running, it may well not be worth it.
Now the unarmored barbarian may be more of a question. He will be in melee with the enemy close enough to hurt him. But the local laws of physics could justify him too.
You know, the Elf is making a great case for why they should eject him from the party. He's rude, insensitive, hypocritical, and self-centered. Not to mention he misled the group about his capabilities as a medic early on, resulting in them not have AN ACTUAL HEALER IN THE GROUP. I'd get rid of him as soon as possible, because he's coming across as the kind of guy who will sacrifice you to save his own skin without a second thought. Also, the Berserker stepped on a metal spike, so I doubt having shoes on would have made much difference unless they were metal. Seriously, ditch the Elf. He's going to get someone killed at this rate.
Correction: He misled the group about the pyromaniac's healing capabilities when he chose him to be Colleen's replacement. However, that doesn't alter the fact that they would have had someone who can cast actual healing spells if not for him.
But there are also a limit on the number of times someone can cast spells in a day too. Like how many jar of healing someone can carry or make. Maybe the others could each carry one too but he would need to make more.
But in a certain way, he could make more money by selling such healing potion to adventurers going in the dungeo if it's that useful.
Pretty certain Sera is dating Marigold (the tank/Fighter), unless I've completely been misinterpreting their interactions up to this point. That's going to make it a bit difficult to boot him from the group, at least if they want to retain her. And, honestly, while he can be a bit problematic, he's highly skilled and has probably learned his lesson with regards to listening to tactics, so the group would likely be worse off without him. As others have mentioned, he's also bringing up a good point, albeit in a rather antagonistic way.
All good points, though if he's willing to pass on an actual Healer for petty reasons, then his ego is seriously affecting his judgement, which means he could still end up being a major liability to the rest of the party. Also, I still say he's off the mark complaining about the berserker stepping on the spikes without shoes because I'm certain that his boots wouldn't have protected his feet from the spikes either.
Looting time! Look like there is plenty of it so they have better luck than Colleen and own dwarf but they have to split it five way. Wonder if there is something good in it.
But elf boy sure can complain. Why do I feel any other groups would have kicked him out already?
We all know from the title card art that this band of arguing losers is going to fall apart eventually and Ozzi will join the protagonist side. It's just a question of if they voluntarily split up or their arguments lead to some actual fatalities.
Honestly, kind of surprised it's taking this second focused story arc to get that story told. I guess last time introduced them and their issues and this story will be where it all finally falls apart?
Credit is due where credit is due, they just defeated a shark ogre without fatalities, I think that is cause for celebration and respect. (and now they are in the looting phase :- ) ).
It's kind of interesting; if this was a D&D session or other RPG, I would totally be against Seras (the Elf), because, after all, it is just a game (and remember to pass the snacks). Minor stuff that you can laugh at.
But if this was "real" (so to say), then Seras complaining is not nearly as invalid as many of the commenters here seem to indicate. Seras is not being fair or considerate (he has not been quick to admit his own mistakes), and he talks behind the backs of others, but both his and his team mates lives are in danger, and small things can matter. And Seras definitely did care about Ox surviving before, including risking his own life to help Ox get back. In situations where there is a lot or an extreme amount at stake, well, criticism can be very helpful or even necessary, even if it lowers someones social status or creates enemies. Of course, ensuring and making it clear that it is out of care for the team, goals and missions, etc., not social competition and the like, is also very important, and Seras does not seem wise or insightful enough to criticize well (though you gotta work with what you have). But he is definitely not quite the villain he is made out to be here in the comments section from what we have seen so far. I mean, think if you were in Seras' situation, and you were very close to becoming mincemeat in these jaws (panels 1-2 from page 7-10):
Ozzy ought to make a praising speech once they get back and suggest a toast to surviving the shark ogre (and getting the loot :- ) ).
Also, several people here seem to be reacting with violence over words, despite Seras helping Ox in the previous few pages... hmmmmm...
Seras has a. Really good point. On the other hand, waiting until the surface to sort that out would probably be a good idea.
It occurs to me that if clerics are as rare as the previous chapter implied, then dodgy healing salves and the like might be what most parties have to work with. Which would increase the mortality rate in the Dungeon...
To be fair if you are use to walking barefoot not much can really hurt your feet because of the calluses on your feet. Metal spikes are really good personal weapons.
If you really want to hobble someone take their shoes :D
I doubt that anything but a full mithril-boot would have been able to withstand the sort of trap Ox stepped on.
So this is kind of a moot point. Besides Ox should be used to walking barefoot, and as @padanew pointed out that means the undersides of his feet are tougher
than the soles of most of the shoes the rest of the party is wearing.
It wasn't a trap, it was just some scrap of armor from the Sharkling-ogre left on the ground.
I guess the lesson here is that you need to clean after yourself after you are done playing with it because someone could step on it. (Painful Lego block memories comming to the surface...)
So despite going into battle with his torso unprotected, the elf still criticizes his teammate for going barefoot? Seems a tad bit hypocritical to me …
Being aware of their long lifespan usually makes them hesitant to tempt fate...
My preference would still have been to have at least some light shoes, but Ox, as the barbarian he is, likely has very tough and thick skin as well. In D&D 3.5 edition, barbarians even gain damage reduction as they level :- ) .
I like the discussion and comments reg. tradition. Typically not always so obvious whether a given tradition is "outdated" or not :- ) . Some rules have purpose and value, sometimes great or extreme value, despite it not always being easy to see the purpose of them. Though one cannot take for granted that a rule as such has value overall, or which kind(s) of value it has. And there are other aspects than that as well.
Or are you more referring to Seras' suicidal arrogance in general? :- ) .
Cold, logical, spoken like a true Vulcan! (Space elf)
Lol
Protect your feet but not your vitals?
Now the unarmored barbarian may be more of a question. He will be in melee with the enemy close enough to hurt him. But the local laws of physics could justify him too.
But in a certain way, he could make more money by selling such healing potion to adventurers going in the dungeo if it's that useful.
> [...] because he's [Sera the Elf] coming across as the kind of guy who will sacrifice you to save his own skin without a second thought.
Eh, that is definitely not true, if you consider page 7-11 to 7-13, and these images:
But elf boy sure can complain. Why do I feel any other groups would have kicked him out already?
Honestly, kind of surprised it's taking this second focused story arc to get that story told. I guess last time introduced them and their issues and this story will be where it all finally falls apart?
But if this was "real" (so to say), then Seras complaining is not nearly as invalid as many of the commenters here seem to indicate. Seras is not being fair or considerate (he has not been quick to admit his own mistakes), and he talks behind the backs of others, but both his and his team mates lives are in danger, and small things can matter. And Seras definitely did care about Ox surviving before, including risking his own life to help Ox get back. In situations where there is a lot or an extreme amount at stake, well, criticism can be very helpful or even necessary, even if it lowers someones social status or creates enemies. Of course, ensuring and making it clear that it is out of care for the team, goals and missions, etc., not social competition and the like, is also very important, and Seras does not seem wise or insightful enough to criticize well (though you gotta work with what you have). But he is definitely not quite the villain he is made out to be here in the comments section from what we have seen so far. I mean, think if you were in Seras' situation, and you were very close to becoming mincemeat in these jaws (panels 1-2 from page 7-10):
Ozzy ought to make a praising speech once they get back and suggest a toast to surviving the shark ogre (and getting the loot :- ) ).
Also, several people here seem to be reacting with violence over words, despite Seras helping Ox in the previous few pages... hmmmmm...
It occurs to me that if clerics are as rare as the previous chapter implied, then dodgy healing salves and the like might be what most parties have to work with. Which would increase the mortality rate in the Dungeon...
If you really want to hobble someone take their shoes :D
So this is kind of a moot point. Besides Ox should be used to walking barefoot, and as @padanew pointed out that means the undersides of his feet are tougher
than the soles of most of the shoes the rest of the party is wearing.
I guess the lesson here is that you need to clean after yourself after you are done playing with it because someone could step on it. (Painful Lego block memories comming to the surface...)
They are smaller than a Japanese Geisha girl!!!
Ha Ha! That's embarrassing!