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someone 17th Jan 2020, 6:28 PM edit delete reply
The elf's got a point, Ozzi has a demonstrated tendency to associate with idiots. Why, I could four idiots with him right now!
someone 17th Jan 2020, 6:31 PM edit delete reply
"count", not "could", obviously
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 6:04 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Grow up with the ignorant, be attracted to the ignorant!
Oldarmourer 17th Jan 2020, 6:38 PM edit delete reply
Wow, a suicidal elf...you don't see many of those ;)
Being aware of their long lifespan usually makes them hesitant to tempt fate...
Guest 17th Jan 2020, 7:55 PM edit delete reply
I don't think Ox would be that angry with the elf; they were both in mortal danger before, after all, and the elf helped Ox instead of fleeing despite the great danger. I don't think shoes would have helped much, though they would have helped a bit.

My preference would still have been to have at least some light shoes, but Ox, as the barbarian he is, likely has very tough and thick skin as well. In D&D 3.5 edition, barbarians even gain damage reduction as they level :- ) .

I like the discussion and comments reg. tradition. Typically not always so obvious whether a given tradition is "outdated" or not :- ) . Some rules have purpose and value, sometimes great or extreme value, despite it not always being easy to see the purpose of them. Though one cannot take for granted that a rule as such has value overall, or which kind(s) of value it has. And there are other aspects than that as well.
Oldarmourer 19th Jan 2020, 1:12 AM edit delete reply
I wasn't really referring to Ox... ;)
Guest 19th Jan 2020, 9:56 AM edit delete reply
Ahhhh, Ozzy does not seem that stabby, and besides, Seras the elf did help Ox get away from the shark ogre while Ox was limping despite the danger.

Or are you more referring to Seras' suicidal arrogance in general? :- ) .
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 6:06 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Sera does seem awfully immature for someone around 70 years old :P
Guest 17th Jan 2020, 6:49 PM edit delete reply
Real smart, Sera. Real smart. Don't go taunting the barbarian or Ox will put his cheese grater back on his face and you're his next target.
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 6:07 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
I dunno, Sera's a pretty good shot ;P
Guest I guess 17th Jan 2020, 6:59 PM edit delete reply
Says the guy not wearing a shirt...
Patrick-Leigh 18th Jan 2020, 1:34 AM edit delete reply
I know, right?!
Lurker 20th Jan 2020, 2:13 PM edit delete reply
Pot calling kettle black. What else is new?
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 6:07 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Oh don't worry, he's got an explanation for that...
Guest 17th Jan 2020, 7:57 PM edit delete reply
Wait, is this the first time we see Alexus without his helmet on? He seems younger to me than I first imagined, but I think him being relatively young fits his character well.
Bookeater_otaku 18th Jan 2020, 2:12 AM edit delete reply
I would have made a comment on how his eyes are all dilated so he must be stoned out of his mind from all the weed he is smoking but the art style of all the characters are like that...
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 6:08 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Ozzi's done harder drugs than Alex or anyone else in the group...

Hence the bags under the eyes.
MajorDZaster 17th Jan 2020, 10:46 PM edit delete reply
I think we all knew the not-arguing couldn't last.
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 6:09 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Aw, what group of friends doesn't enjoy some good-natured behind-the-back talking?
chris-tar 17th Jan 2020, 10:48 PM edit delete reply
chris-tar
"Well then you're friends with an idiot"
Cold, logical, spoken like a true Vulcan! (Space elf)
Lol
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 6:10 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
I've heard of "white lies", but I believe this is what's known as a "black truth"
Leatherhead 17th Jan 2020, 11:04 PM edit delete reply
Says the guy with an exposed chest and no helmet~

Protect your feet but not your vitals?
someone 17th Jan 2020, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
The guy with exposed vitals and who is currently turning his back on the rogue he's antagonizing.
David Argall 19th Jan 2020, 4:19 AM edit delete reply
While it would seem some armor is a good idea, our elf is an archer. This could mean he is rarely in any melee danger where armor could help. If something gets close enough to be bothered by armor, the elf should be running. And if armor hampers his shooting, or his running, it may well not be worth it.
Now the unarmored barbarian may be more of a question. He will be in melee with the enemy close enough to hurt him. But the local laws of physics could justify him too.
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 6:12 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
"Elf armor?! Ye'd be better off coverin' her with a soft blanket! At least then she'd be warm!"
-Randulf, Chapter 1
Patrick-Leigh 18th Jan 2020, 1:39 AM edit delete reply
You know, the Elf is making a great case for why they should eject him from the party. He's rude, insensitive, hypocritical, and self-centered. Not to mention he misled the group about his capabilities as a medic early on, resulting in them not have AN ACTUAL HEALER IN THE GROUP. I'd get rid of him as soon as possible, because he's coming across as the kind of guy who will sacrifice you to save his own skin without a second thought. Also, the Berserker stepped on a metal spike, so I doubt having shoes on would have made much difference unless they were metal. Seriously, ditch the Elf. He's going to get someone killed at this rate.
Patrick-Leigh 18th Jan 2020, 1:48 AM edit delete reply
Correction: He misled the group about the pyromaniac's healing capabilities when he chose him to be Colleen's replacement. However, that doesn't alter the fact that they would have had someone who can cast actual healing spells if not for him.
Bookeater_otaku 18th Jan 2020, 2:09 AM edit delete reply
But there are also a limit on the number of times someone can cast spells in a day too. Like how many jar of healing someone can carry or make. Maybe the others could each carry one too but he would need to make more.

But in a certain way, he could make more money by selling such healing potion to adventurers going in the dungeo if it's that useful.
Guest 18th Jan 2020, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
Patrick-Leigh

> [...] because he's [Sera the Elf] coming across as the kind of guy who will sacrifice you to save his own skin without a second thought.

Eh, that is definitely not true, if you consider page 7-11 to 7-13, and these images:

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Varyon 20th Jan 2020, 7:48 PM edit delete reply
Pretty certain Sera is dating Marigold (the tank/Fighter), unless I've completely been misinterpreting their interactions up to this point. That's going to make it a bit difficult to boot him from the group, at least if they want to retain her. And, honestly, while he can be a bit problematic, he's highly skilled and has probably learned his lesson with regards to listening to tactics, so the group would likely be worse off without him. As others have mentioned, he's also bringing up a good point, albeit in a rather antagonistic way.
Patrick-Leigh 21st Jan 2020, 3:39 AM edit delete reply
All good points, though if he's willing to pass on an actual Healer for petty reasons, then his ego is seriously affecting his judgement, which means he could still end up being a major liability to the rest of the party. Also, I still say he's off the mark complaining about the berserker stepping on the spikes without shoes because I'm certain that his boots wouldn't have protected his feet from the spikes either.
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 6:17 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
I guess we'll have to wait and see if he proves a valued team member or not :)
Bookeater_otaku 18th Jan 2020, 2:16 AM edit delete reply
Looting time! Look like there is plenty of it so they have better luck than Colleen and own dwarf but they have to split it five way. Wonder if there is something good in it.

But elf boy sure can complain. Why do I feel any other groups would have kicked him out already?
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:50 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
This group knows that if he goes, so does Marigold :P
Guest 18th Jan 2020, 4:32 AM edit delete reply
We all know from the title card art that this band of arguing losers is going to fall apart eventually and Ozzi will join the protagonist side. It's just a question of if they voluntarily split up or their arguments lead to some actual fatalities.

Honestly, kind of surprised it's taking this second focused story arc to get that story told. I guess last time introduced them and their issues and this story will be where it all finally falls apart?
Guest 18th Jan 2020, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
Credit is due where credit is due, they just defeated a shark ogre without fatalities, I think that is cause for celebration and respect. (and now they are in the looting phase :- ) ).
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:49 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
The title card is just meant to display the three main characters; Colleen, Ox, and Ozzi.

It's not meant to imply they're in a group.
Guest 18th Jan 2020, 7:28 AM edit delete reply
It's kind of interesting; if this was a D&D session or other RPG, I would totally be against Seras (the Elf), because, after all, it is just a game (and remember to pass the snacks). Minor stuff that you can laugh at.

But if this was "real" (so to say), then Seras complaining is not nearly as invalid as many of the commenters here seem to indicate. Seras is not being fair or considerate (he has not been quick to admit his own mistakes), and he talks behind the backs of others, but both his and his team mates lives are in danger, and small things can matter. And Seras definitely did care about Ox surviving before, including risking his own life to help Ox get back. In situations where there is a lot or an extreme amount at stake, well, criticism can be very helpful or even necessary, even if it lowers someones social status or creates enemies. Of course, ensuring and making it clear that it is out of care for the team, goals and missions, etc., not social competition and the like, is also very important, and Seras does not seem wise or insightful enough to criticize well (though you gotta work with what you have). But he is definitely not quite the villain he is made out to be here in the comments section from what we have seen so far. I mean, think if you were in Seras' situation, and you were very close to becoming mincemeat in these jaws (panels 1-2 from page 7-10):

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Ozzy ought to make a praising speech once they get back and suggest a toast to surviving the shark ogre (and getting the loot :- ) ).

Also, several people here seem to be reacting with violence over words, despite Seras helping Ox in the previous few pages... hmmmmm...
Guest 18th Jan 2020, 7:38 AM edit delete reply
I think Seras could have made the criticism in a much better way by directly saying to Ox: "Dude, put some shoes on.", or similar.
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:48 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
The worst part about rude people is when they are right about something!
ErictheTolle 18th Jan 2020, 10:57 AM edit delete reply
Seras has a. Really good point. On the other hand, waiting until the surface to sort that out would probably be a good idea.

It occurs to me that if clerics are as rare as the previous chapter implied, then dodgy healing salves and the like might be what most parties have to work with. Which would increase the mortality rate in the Dungeon...
Bookeater_otaku 20th Jan 2020, 6:31 AM edit delete reply
WOF said that it's mainly in the Green Islands that there isn't a lot of people capable of doing miracles.
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:45 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Divine casters and mages are both very rare in this world, and only a tiny fraction of the population are even capable of them. Having arcane powers appears to be random; you are just incredibly lucky to even have the ability, and also have to be above average intelligence to be able to even be capable of memorizing even the most basic arcane scripts and formulas

Clerics are chosen by a higher being. They recieve their powers only when the higher being has some sort of purpose for their life. The stronger the need, the more clerics appear. The lesser the need, the fewer clerics exist. The Green Isles are relatively safe and free from many of the monsters, undead, and evil creatures that other places in the world have, so there are very, very few clerics there (in the current age).

Marblegate is a unique place where all these sorts of people tend to congregate, and its owned by the Arch Wizards, so it can give the incorrect impression that magic is everywhere in this world.
padanew 18th Jan 2020, 5:16 PM edit delete reply
padanew
To be fair if you are use to walking barefoot not much can really hurt your feet because of the calluses on your feet. Metal spikes are really good personal weapons.
If you really want to hobble someone take their shoes :D
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:36 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Halflings manage well-enough.
Worstcase 18th Jan 2020, 8:27 PM edit delete reply
I doubt that anything but a full mithril-boot would have been able to withstand the sort of trap Ox stepped on.
So this is kind of a moot point. Besides Ox should be used to walking barefoot, and as @padanew pointed out that means the undersides of his feet are tougher
than the soles of most of the shoes the rest of the party is wearing.
Bookeater_otaku 19th Jan 2020, 6:17 AM edit delete reply
It wasn't a trap, it was just some scrap of armor from the Sharkling-ogre left on the ground.

I guess the lesson here is that you need to clean after yourself after you are done playing with it because someone could step on it. (Painful Lego block memories comming to the surface...)
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:36 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Book eater is correct; it was a chunk of armor from the sharks.
BornOnTheNinth 19th Jan 2020, 8:01 PM edit delete reply
So despite going into battle with his torso unprotected, the elf still criticizes his teammate for going barefoot? Seems a tad bit hypocritical to me …
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:35 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
You'll see next page that the irony is not lost on them :)
chris-tar 20th Jan 2020, 12:42 AM edit delete reply
chris-tar
Wait! look how tiny OX's feet are!
They are smaller than a Japanese Geisha girl!!!
Ha Ha! That's embarrassing!
Bookeater_otaku 20th Jan 2020, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
OMG your right!
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:34 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
All dwarves have tiny feet in this world! Look at Randulf!
berdhers 20th Jan 2020, 7:37 AM edit delete reply
berdhers
He's not wearing anything remotely better in terms of protection ha! Your character designs and variety never cease to amaze.
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:33 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Thank you! Although, he may have an explanation for what he's wearing next page...
padanew 20th Jan 2020, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
padanew
Strange that Rock has not commented on our comments yet.
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:32 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Here I am!
Mole 23rd Jan 2020, 4:59 AM edit delete reply
There is a small typo in the 3 box (middle frame, second row). The first text speech is missing a word, just thought you let you know. "He got a hole his foot, he can't". Just thought I would let you know. I love this comic.
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 5:31 AM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Thanks! His words are actually getting cut off by Sera, hence the little dash at the end of them.

Or were you referring to something else?
Guest 23rd Jan 2020, 11:03 AM edit delete reply
Maybe "in" between "hole" and "his"?
Rocktopus 23rd Jan 2020, 2:44 PM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Ah, I see now!
Fix'd, thank you!