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28th Feb 2020, 4:05 PM in Chapter 7
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Rocktopus 28th Feb 2020, 4:05 PM edit delete
Rocktopus
Yep.

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Comments:

Guest 28th Feb 2020, 4:11 PM edit delete reply
Yep.
GoldMoon 28th Feb 2020, 4:17 PM edit delete reply
GoldMoon
I was gonna say that
Photomaginarium 28th Feb 2020, 5:16 PM edit delete reply
Photomaginarium
yep.
Rocktopus 28th Feb 2020, 6:59 PM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
nope.
Guest 28th Feb 2020, 7:46 PM edit delete reply
Yep.
Bookeater_otaku 28th Feb 2020, 4:46 PM edit delete reply
Ox on top of being a pretty cool headed barbarian is also an observant stoic.

Huh. I am liking this character more and more.

And Ozzie now realize that is party is even more of a social time bomb than the alchemist potions. I wonder if he will change is approach to the party to try to save the little cohesion they have.

There really should be an after adventure debriefing to see what went right, what went wrong, what theyou can improve.
guest 28th Feb 2020, 5:04 PM edit delete reply
On the panel with Ox looking at his booger, there's a typo where Ozzie says "arraged" when I think he means to say "arranged."
Rocktopus 28th Feb 2020, 6:59 PM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Fixed! Thank you!
BornOnTheNinth 28th Feb 2020, 6:14 PM edit delete reply
Heh, In the second panel I initially read the clerk's bubble as "She forgot her respect".

Anyway, since Elf Guy and Marigold are dating it does add some context to his apparent lack of sympathy in the previous page; he doesn't consider Marigold's womanhood or attractiveness diminished by her mastectomy and wishes she wouldn't feel self-conscious about it. Though I'm not letting elf guy completely off the hook; in the end he's still minimizing her feelings. He's 72 years old! That's more than enough time to learn empathy for others.

And while Ozzie and Tetanus-Foot are appropriately empathetic to Marigold, I suspect Fire-Guy will end up blabbing and causing the party to break apart.
Rocktopus 28th Feb 2020, 7:05 PM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Hehe, "tetanus-foot"
chris-tar 28th Feb 2020, 7:24 PM edit delete reply
chris-tar
Can someone explain to me what the author meant to convey when the dwarf said "daddy issues, both sides"?
I apologize but I just don't get it....
Rocktopus 28th Feb 2020, 7:41 PM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Both Marigold and Sera have relationship problems with their fathers and are acting out against their family's wishes.
chris-tar 28th Feb 2020, 7:45 PM edit delete reply
chris-tar
Oh I see, they are rebelling against the predetermined roles their families have made for them and wish to be free individuals. Thank you.
Banarok 28th Feb 2020, 8:13 PM edit delete reply
not Really, Daddy issues mean some kind of spite, they might actually have gotten into the relationship because it piss their parents of rather then actually because it's something they actively want to do.

so Freedom is not really the main thing here.
Guest 28th Feb 2020, 9:02 PM edit delete reply
But can't daddy issues be related to freedom?
Oldarmourer 28th Feb 2020, 9:55 PM edit delete reply
Gack...spoilers...that and we hadn't gotten around to speculating on that yet :(
Guest 28th Feb 2020, 7:43 PM edit delete reply
Both Marigold and Sera, I think.
Guest 28th Feb 2020, 7:45 PM edit delete reply
Minor typo in center-right panel, "noblemwomen" -> "noblewomen".
Rocktopus 28th Feb 2020, 7:57 PM edit delete reply
Rocktopus
Wow, another one? Thanks for reporting it!
Fixed!
Thracecius 28th Feb 2020, 8:02 PM edit delete reply
Thracecius
I say Ozzie and Ox quit this group of punks and join up with Colleen and Randulf, because it certainly would be a better balance and fit than the current ensemble.
Oldarmourer 28th Feb 2020, 8:20 PM edit delete reply
and two dwarves are better than one :)
Guest 28th Feb 2020, 10:08 PM edit delete reply
I would love that, but my guess is Ozzie quits after Ox dies. It just doesn't make sense to write such a great character if you aren't going to use him to emotionally manipulate your audience.
Guest 28th Feb 2020, 10:31 PM edit delete reply
Noooooooooooo, not Ox 😢 .
Guest 29th Feb 2020, 8:10 AM edit delete reply
so Ozzie will retire at around 300 or 400: good news for him.
Guest 29th Feb 2020, 3:40 PM edit delete reply
I agree. I have the feeling Ozzie is thinking about having made -maybe- the wrong decision in choosing this group over Coleen and Randulf. But I am starting to like Ox.
Sturzkampf 28th Feb 2020, 8:20 PM edit delete reply
Sturzkampf
Did anyone pick up Marigold's receipt? No? Oh well, I'm sure it's not important.
Worstcase 28th Feb 2020, 10:41 PM edit delete reply
Our dear War-banker gave the receipt to Alexus the Alchemist of all people.
Allzephyr 28th Feb 2020, 8:41 PM edit delete reply
Allzephyr
Who's the gossip now?
Guest 29th Feb 2020, 12:27 AM edit delete reply
Us? 😛
Bookeater_otaku 28th Feb 2020, 11:28 PM edit delete reply
Sooooo... No interspecies baby it seems. Hey Roctopus, what led you to that decision for your universe?
Oldarmourer 28th Feb 2020, 11:59 PM edit delete reply
Oldarmourer
Half-elves, as a class, suck ?
Guest 29th Feb 2020, 8:59 AM edit delete reply
yeah...what's wrong with elf-dwarves halfbreeds ?
DocMesa 29th Feb 2020, 9:40 AM edit delete reply
DocMesa
Because first it starts with half elves, then quarter elves, then half dwarf half drow hybrids and then you're force feeding one of your players their own character sheet....
Dubbes 29th Feb 2020, 3:39 PM edit delete reply
Unforunately that is the way it works. The Half-drow-quarter-dragon-one-fifth-dwarf character.
Guest 29th Feb 2020, 10:06 AM edit delete reply
To prevent or decrease elf-human fetishes? Even J. R. R. Tolkien had that one ;- ) . Other pairings seem really rare, like the other Guest mentions.

That said, I recall one comic, Elfquest, where there was a single elf-"troll" halfbreed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Elfquest_characters#Half_troll,_half_elf
. I believe he in the story has a tortured childhood, is a master blacksmith/craftsman, and that he earlier in the story plays a somewhat villainous or ambiguous role.
Patrick-Leigh 28th Feb 2020, 11:31 PM edit delete reply
Wow, I see I'm not the only storyteller who's approaching Elves as taking almost a century to reach adulthood. I suppose it's logical, but I've come across other franchises where an Elf will reach physical and mental maturity at the same rate as a human. Anyway, Sera's behavior makes a whole lot more sense, now.
Oldarmourer 2nd Mar 2020, 1:02 AM edit delete reply
I always have a problem with the 'slow maturing' elves...
A hundred years is a hundred years, if elves are supposed to be brighter than humans why does it take them so long to pick up things ?
I can see maybe physically growing at a slower rate, humans 'grow' slower than say horses...they can run within hours of birth wee take almost a year...but elves are pretty similar to humans in form and I can't see a 20 year old elf crawling around in diapers...
Elven pregnancies supposedly last two years so they should be born more 'done' than humans anyway...
I can see it taking longer for an elf to learn all the extensive lore, history and customs of the elven races, or at least enough to be presentable in public, but they should still have the basics down by the time they're the same age as a human.
To me, elves live longer but they don't necessarily 'mature' any slower, that doesn't make a lot of sense given the innate superiority of the elves, they just have a longer time to gain wisdom and a five hundred year old elf is almost sure to have grown past even a venerable human's wisdom taken from experience...mostly...this elf seems to be a little behind the power curve ;)
Oldarmourer 2nd Mar 2020, 1:06 AM edit delete reply
Of course, stupid is as stupid does and it takes some people a lot longer to clue in, I know people in their sixties who don't have the maturity of a twelve year old and twelve year olds that have a deeper insight than many forty year olds...so there may well be the odd hundred year old elf with a ten year old's outlook...and I think we're looking at one ;)
padanew 29th Feb 2020, 4:43 AM edit delete reply
padanew
So half races are not possible in this setting or just so rare no one has seen one?
David Argall 1st Mar 2020, 4:54 AM edit delete reply
It will likely be none until our author falls in love with a half-elf story line. Then we may find that since our two lovers? have felt no need for birth control and so have not used any, and so...
Guest 1st Mar 2020, 12:56 PM edit delete reply
Nah, I don't think he will do that, there are lots of settings out there that explore such systems. There are also (lots/some?) settings that explore humans, dwarves, elves, etc. being different species and not being able to have offspring, such as the setting in Pillars of Eternity as far as I recall. (Pillars of Eternity was a game I disliked compared to the old Infinity engine games, though I might just have rose-tinted glasses).

See for instance this discussion: https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/60546-do-half-breeds-right-or-dont-do-them-at-all/ .

One comment from there:

> > Btw, how does Forgotten Realms deal with this? or any DND world? Can anybody just mix in? Quarter fiend/dragon/elf/human?

> There's a gigantic chart.

Another option is for "half-breeds" to be infertile. For instance, donkeys and horses can interbreed (I think there is also a requirement reg. which is the father and which is the mother in order for them to be able to interbreed), but the offspring, mule, is sterile.

For tigers and lions, which are very far from each other genetically as I recall, they can interbreed as well, and the offspring might be fertile, but the offspring tends to have a (much?) higher rate of cancer among other challenges. They are called "tigons" and "ligers" if I recall correctly, with the name depending on which is the father and which is the mother. At least one of them is even larger than both of their parents as far as I recall, though maybe not as agile.
someone 3rd Mar 2020, 9:52 PM edit delete reply
Jack (male donkey) + mare (female horse) ==> mule
Jenny (female donkey) + stallion (male horse) ==> hinny (US) aka jennet (UK)

Hinnies are smaller than mules (since jennies are smaller than mares)

There have been recorded cases of female mules or, more rarely, female hinnies, giving birth to foals.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2290491.stm
Guest 3rd Mar 2020, 10:13 PM edit delete reply
Thank you, that is really interesting, especially that both mules and hinnies (I only knew about mules) can both have offspring, despite the different number of chromosomes between horses and donkeys.
Lexi 29th Feb 2020, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
I'll still play the long odds. Her breast is fine, he lied through his teeth, they are gullible, and the pocket holds a couple of valuable small family heirlooms or signet rings she, preemptively inherited, upon running off with the elf. Something valuable enough you could stick in the safest place on your body-the neigh impenetrable breastplate of your expensive armor.

There are enough problems with the story, to indicate a play upon emotions.
Guest 29th Feb 2020, 9:43 AM edit delete reply
If it is valuable items that Marigold had with her from the beginning and that she didn't grab in the dungeon, why would she take them with her into the dungeon? Why not put them in the bank if they trust the bank? Why not hide them in her room? Or put it into a bag if she wants to carry it with her? Why have her breastplate modified? Wouldn't it be uncomfortable for her to wear her breastplate if its inner shape does not match her body?
Worstcase 29th Feb 2020, 10:37 AM edit delete reply
How did Ozzie even meet Marigold and Sera - if he doesn't know all that and decided to add them to his party?
berdhers 29th Feb 2020, 3:06 PM edit delete reply
berdhers
"Daddy issues. Both Sides" " God damn." I don't know why I found that so funny.
Oldarmourer 1st Mar 2020, 2:25 AM edit delete reply
because when you read it in an 'irritated dwarf' voice...it is :)
Darkening 2nd Mar 2020, 12:22 AM edit delete reply
The typical way people explain away the lack of anything but half-whatevers is that they come out sterile like mules, which while solving that issue, is moderately tragic for those people. And shame on you for upholding the stereotype of half-orcs as a product of rape, orcs aren't always frothing cannibalistic monsters!
Guest 2nd Mar 2020, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
> [...] orcs aren't always frothing cannibalistic monsters!

Doesn't it depend on the setting whether they are that? In J. R. R. Tolkien's setting(s), for instance, isn't that an accurate description of all orcs? Magically created and manipulated?

In other settings, that description fits most or almost all orcs, and in other settings again, that description fits some orcs, and in other settings again, that fits none or very few orcs (Warcraft for instance?). With different causes, systems, etc. reg. orcs in the different settings.

I would guess that Marblegate's setting fits with none/very few/some. That said, orcs in Marblegate are based on pigs: http://marblegate.thecomicseries.com/files/fan_art/concepts/orc3.jpg , and pigs IRL have cannibalistic tendencies, such as sows eating their own children under certain circumstances (though it seems to occur among confined/domestic pigs, and better conditions for the pigs may decrease the behaviour. I don't know whether it occurs among free-living boars, so this might be solely due to abnormal conditions in some cases):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savaging

"Savaging is a term used in the study of ethology that refers to aggressive behaviour displayed by the mother towards the offspring. Aggressive behaviour includes being rough with, injuring, biting, attacking, crushing and killing (maternal infanticide) of the offspring. While savaging behaviour has been seen in multiple species, it is predominantly demonstrated in domestic pigs (Sus scrofa domesticus)"

And pigs can eat all kinds of things, including humans: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-19796224 .

Cannibalism is also seen very, very, very rarely among sentient creatures such as humans, though that is extremely rare and generally due to extreme circumstances and cases such as starvation, famine, civil wars and serial killers operating in secret (civil wars often include starvation and famine). For examples of civil wars where this have occurred, there is for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Pygmies#Enslavement_and_genocide .
Guest 2nd Mar 2020, 11:13 PM edit delete reply
Darkening: Reg. settings where half-breeds are sterile being tragic, the game Pillars of Eternity has something similar in its setting called "godlikes". These "godlikes" are in the setting considered to be "blessed" by various gods, which means that they are sterile and have special properties and abilities.

https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Godlike:

>The godlike are children of the kith ("civilized" races) who have been blessed with physical aspects associated with the gods (though some do not consider it a blessing). These aspects may take many forms and often come with mystical powers. Aberrant head shapes are typical, and godlike are unable to wear protective headgear as it is near-impossible to find anything that fits. Because of their unusual nature and their inability to reproduce, godlike are often viewed with fear and wonder.

The personal consequences of being "godlike" is also touched upon a bit in certain characters, notably Pallegina, a companion-character.

(and in the first game, there are tons of godlikes in the form of Kickstarter-bought characters, with those characters having background stories written by the kickstarter that paid for that character, and the stories are of very variable levels of quality - authoring good stories are not easy, especially for a then-new setting. I think the vast majority of godlikes present in the first game are those Kickstarter characters. Which is silly given that the godlikes are meant to be rare).
Oldarmourer 3rd Mar 2020, 1:42 AM edit delete reply
Oldarmourer
Nice shiny new vote incentive, just one thing....

Hannah is a very nice name, but she doesn't look jjuish ;)
Sen 4th Mar 2020, 11:54 AM edit delete reply
I always see the little exposed skin in the beard as walrus teeth XD
io 5th Mar 2020, 5:09 AM edit delete reply
the running from their families?